Death is afraid of them that have the heart of a lion

This week, we talk to Sir Wayne Smith, a true legend in the world of rugby. Smithy won three Rugby World Cups and, along with Todd Blackadder and Justin Marshall, was one of the first three inductees to the Crusaders Hall of Fame. 

In this episode, Smithy talks about:

• What he learned from spit.

• Why training is better with chaos.

• Why Sir Graham Henry refused to ride on the Black Ferns team bus.